2011-2012 Returning A State Placers and Qualifiers (Almost like rankings!) (42 posts) (16 voices)
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Ok, so I was bored and put this together based on last year's state brackets.
Let me know of any obvious mistakes. I tried to go exactly by the bracekts, and head-to-head matches once I got past place-finishers. However, I could have missed a few for sure.
I just felt like trying to get some discussion started. Anyone interested?
Here you go...
Returning State Place-Finishers and Qualifiers:
103:
1. Kainan Clark (Parry McCluer) 11 1st in 2011
2. Lance Ford (Strasburg) 11 2nd in 2011
3. Gilbert Rodriguez (Manassas Park) 10 3rd in 2011
4. Jacob Cochrane (Glenvar) 11 4th in 2011
5. Emmanuel Davidson (Rural Retreat) 12 5th in 2011
6. Ryan Bono (Northampton) 11 6th in 2011
7. Caleb Miller (Mathews) 10 7th in 2011
8. Philip Jewell (King William) 8th in 2011
9. Moses Oviedo (Washington & Lee) 10 1-2 in 2011
10. Jacob Welch (Madison County) 10 1-2 in 2011
11. Tucker Harvey (Appomatox) 10 1-2 in 2011
12. Tyler Lewis (Castlewood) 10 SQ in 2011
13. Chad Harkleroad (Appalachia) 10 SQ in 2011
14. Brady Baker (J. J. Kelly) 10 SQ in 2011
15. Jonathon Gregory (Lee) 10 SQ in 2011112:
1. Junior Espinoza (Galax) 11 1st in 2011
2. KC Kash (Riverheads) 12 2nd in 2011
3. TJ Mitchell (Rural Retreat) 12 3rd in 2011
4. David Devilbiss (Radford) 10 4th in 2011
5. Corbin Woods (Parry McCluer) 10 5th in 2011
6. Collin Conkwright (Appomattox) 10 6th in 2011
7. Michael Capone (Strasburg) 12 8th in 2011 (inj.)
8. Abraham Jiminez (Clarke County) 7th in 2011 (fft. Capone)
9. Daniel Crawford (King William) 10 1-2 in 2011
10. Justin Peters (J.J. Kelly) 11 1-2 in 2011
11. Douglas Barnes (Arcadia) 12 1-2 in 2011
12. Charlie Demarino (Northampton) 10 SQ in 2011
13. Brandon Perry (VA. High) 10 SQ in 2011
14. Xavier Freeman (Franklin) 12 SQ in 2011
15. Robert Stout (Coeburn) 10 SQ in 2011
16. Patrick Faulkinberry (Lee) 10 SQ in 2011119:
1. Casey Paglia (Northampton) 11 1st in 2011
2. Ember Gaitan (Manassas Park) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Sean Donnelly (Radford) 12 4th in 2011 (fft.)
4. Bradley Lawson (Floyd) 12 3rd in 2011 (fft.)
5. Danny Seidita (George Mason) 12 6th in 2011
6. Jamie Rogers (Glenvar) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Wesley Gibson (Castlewood) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Michael Farmer (Chatham) 1-2 in 2011
9. Brandon Deel (Washington & Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Jordon Chinn (Northumberland) 11 SQ in 2011
11. Daniel Hartley (St. Paul) 11 SQ in 2011
12. Tanner Dorton (Powell Valley) 11 SQ in 2011125:
1. Kent Cadle (Manassas Park) 11 1st in 2011
2. Charlie Dickson (Covington) 11 6th in 2011 by inj., beat Wolf
3. Tanner Conkwright (Appomatox) 12 1-2 in 2011 by inj., beat Goff and Wolf
4. Skylar Wolf (Central) 11 4th in 2011
5. Jordan Goff (Floyd) 11 5th in 2011
6. Aaron Curry (Northumberland) 10 1-2 in 2011
7. Matt Rouland (Mathews) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Alan Killebrew (Northampton) 10 SQ in 2011
9. Nathaniel Page (Coeburn) 11 SQ in 2011
10. Matt Fleming (Pound) 11 SQ in 2011130:
1. Dale Conner (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Marvin Escobar (Manassas Park) 12 4th in 2011
3. Zach Rogich (Powell Valley) 12 5th in 2011
4. Marcus Clements (Chatham) 11 6th in 2011
5. Fraqual Butler (Northampton) 12 7th in 2011
6. Bobby Donovan (Arcadia) 12 8th in 2011
7. Tyler Drummond (Strasburg) 10 1-2 in 2011
8. Jeremy Dolan (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
9. Cody Jackson (Northumberland) 1-2 in 2011
10. Austin Thomas (George Wythe) 1-2 in 2011
11. Rusty Fields (John Battle) 12 SQ in 2011
12. Logan Stevens (Lebanon) 12 SQ in 2011
13. Joe Crum (Virginia High) 11 SQ in 2011135:
1. Jesse Redford (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Dante Ravenell (Galax) 12 3rd in 2011
3. Billy Jackson (Northumberland) 12 7th in 2011
4. Alborz Alaeddini (George Mason) 12 6th in 2011
5. Peter Levi (Clarke County) 12 8th in 2011
6. Cole Zamana (Covington) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Vincent Ramos (Coeburn) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Tyler Phillips (Castlewood) 11 1-2 in 2011
9. Cody Phillips (Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Clayton Smith (Lebanon) 10 SQ in 2011
11. Landon Kime (George Wythe) 12 SQ in 2011140:
1. Nathan Tomlin (Parry McCluer) 11 2nd in 2011
2. Daniel Sivinski (East Rockingham) 12 3rd in 2011
3. Todd Dean (Strasburg) 11 4th in 2011
4. Mike Albrecht (Cumberland) 12 8th in 2011
5. Mike Metzger (King William) 12 1-2 in 2011
6. Zeev Lailari (George Mason) 12 1-2 in 2011
7. Derek Farris (Chilhowie) 1-2 in 2011
8. Brad Smith (Lancaster) 10 SQ in 2011
9. Drake Smith (Lebanon) SQ in 2011
10. Logan Adkins (J. J. Kelly) 10 SQ in 2011
11. Sam McGill (Washington & Lee) 11 SQ in 2011145:
1. Colby Dean (J. I. Burton) 11 1st in 2011
2. Kyle King (James River) 11 4th in 2011
3. Osmin Flores (Manassas Park) 12 6th in 2011
4. Ben Wallace (Clarke County) 10 8th in 2011
5. Christian Caudill (Coeburn) 11 1-2 in 2011
6. Reggie Hamilton (Powell Valley) 1-2 in 2011
7. Mark Nelson (Arcadia) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Sam Friday (Lancaster) 11 1-2 in 2011
9. Brett Steffey (Castlewood) 10 SQ in 2011
10. Oakley Wilson (Floyd) 12 SQ in 2011
11. Shabre Judkins (Sussex) 12 SQ in 2011152:
1. Travis Anderson (Rural Retreat) 12 2nd in 2011
2. Brandon Dinges (Stonewall Jackson) 12 4th in 2011
3. Marsalis Carlos (Manassas Park) 12 5th in 2011
4. Logan Dean (J. I. Burton) 11 7th in 2011
5. Mark Fitzgerald (Chatham) 12 1-2 in 2011
6. Michael Clayton (Washington & Lee) 12 1-2 in 2011
7. Jake Lewis (George Wythe) 1-2 in 2011
8. Robert Holmes (King William) 12 1-2 in 2011
9. Andrew Laney (Virginia High) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Tyler Nash (John Battle) 11 SQ in 2011
11. Dontavis Williams (Nandua) 11 SQ in 2011160:
1. Anthony Jewett (Madison) 12 1st in 2011
2. Zac Richey (Buffalo Gap) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Joe Nappi (Clarke County) 12 4th in 2011
4. Cory Williams (Rural Retreat) 11 5th in 2011
5. Corey Burgan (Lee) 12 6th in 2011
6. Chandler Cole (Coeburn) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Garrett Thompson (Pound) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Jacob Jewell (Northumberland) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Billy Bower (Mathews) 11 SQ in 2011171:
1. Ricky Tisinger (Stonewall Jackson) 12 1st in 2011
2. Dillion Mathews (Arcadia) 12 3rd in 2011
3. Jeremy Mullins (Coeburn) 10 4th in 2011
4. Treavor Hedrick (Buffalo Gap) 12 6th in 2011
5. Tyler Wagner (Manassas Park) 12 8th in 2011
6. Ryan Hubbard (Lebanon) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Fankie Shalabi (Galax) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Alteriq Flowers (Sussex) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Darrien Fisher (Middlesex) 12 SQ in 2011189:
1. Eric McDaniel (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Kevin Gonzalez (Manassas Park) 12 2nd in 2011
3. James Pavik (Mathews) 12 5th in 2011
4. Owen Deacon (James River) 11 6th in 2011
5. Steven Salinas (Stonewall Jackson) 12 7th in 2011
6. Emmanuel Ricks (Franklin) 12 1-2 in 2011, beat Antonio by fall
7. Derek Yates (Rural Retreat) 11 1-2 in 2011
8. Kai Antonio (Lancaster) 11 8th in 2011
9. Matt Thompson (Clarke County) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Jessie Daniels (Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
11. Drew Young (Castlewood) 12 SQ in 2011215:
1. Drew Collins (J. J. Kelly) 12 1st in 2011
2. Kenny Sluss (Pound) 12 5th in 2011
3. Chaz Sizemore (Galax) 11 6th in 2011
4. Chad Blevins (St. Paul) 12 1-2 in 2011, beat Rodriguez 9-0
5. Victor Rodriguez (Arcadia) 12 7th in 2011
6. Cody Morgan (Radford) 11 8th in 2011
7. Cameren Wynn (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Ian Batterson (James River) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Reese Harris (Middlesex) 12 SQ in 2011
10. TJ Dorsett (J. I. Burton) 10 SQ in 2011285:
1. Lucas Ryan (Stonewall Jackson) 12 1st in 2011
2. Franklin Miller (Riverheads) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Christian Robbins (Lee) 12 3rd in 2011
4. Trevor Belcher (St. Paul) 12 7th in 2011
5. Peter Martin (Floyd) 12 8th in 2011
6. Sean Biddle (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
7. Willie Moore (Mathews) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Laquan Hairston (Northampton) 11 1-2 in 2011
9. Raymond Johnson (Washington & Lee)
10. Michael Parsons (Appalachia) 10 SQ in 2011Posted 1 year ago # - -
Very glad you did this Coach been waiting for something like this as I am too busy and lazy to do it myself. So thank you.
I see a couple of things, maybe not considered so obvious as mistakes, only things to consider, right off the bat, I notice the weight classes, with the changes from 135 to 138 it makes me wonder if the returning champs and placers from 130 will all move up to 138 as they grow? if the will all make the cut to 130 as the extra 3lbs my change their minds about moving up? mainly if the champs try to stay away from one another, this weight class is just one instance off the top of my head where I wonder how the weight class changes will impact the season. I also noticed that Grundy is not averaged in...I know you used last years A state tournament results, which again I appreciate seeing in this list, but once you add Grundy you've got to think things change dramatically. I don't think they return a ton of proven talent, but I know they've got McClanahan who I think will be the OW of the A state tournament next year. They've also got Street who is a 2X AA top 4 placer (also was a takedown away from the AA state finals last year) other than that there are no placers from Grundy. But they do have Compton who is a junior and has been on the cusp of placing in AA when he wrestled at 103 two years ago, I think he is a title contender in A. Also Smith of Grundy with a year under his belt.
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Yes, factoring Grundy in will change things. However, since I just went by last year's brackets, I didn't factor anyone in.
I also know there will be several freshmen and transfers that will have immediate impact on the A scene.
So once those are all in the "rankings" they should be pretty ready to start adjusting for our first pre-season set.
The weight changes are also key in determining the rankings. Everything will start to unfold as the season approaches. I just put this out to start discussion, and to see if anyone wanted to start throwing out known weights for some of the wrestlers. Getting everything as accurate as possible makes for better rankings, earlier in the season.
Often, people keep weights a mystery, or they keep their line-ups secret until they absolutely have to reveal them. I see their strategies, but that definitely has hurt the rankings year after year. I have tried to do the rankings as accurately as I could the last few years, but programs change their weights so many times, or so "last second" it is that much more difficult to be so accurate.
Regardless, I hope this starts the A discussion towards next season. It really isn't that far away! I can't wait! Start training!
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Ok, so I added what I think are all of the returning finishers and qualifiers from Grundy's team of 2010-2011. If you guys have information, post it. We can take our time and try to get things as ready as possible for accurate pre-season rankings.
One favor, if you have information, please, list the FACTS about why you are saying something. Please, do NOT just get on here and ramble about how someone should be ahead of another person, but have nothing to support the claim.
And I know it is early, but I think this is a great way to get feedback necessary for better pre-season, and regular season rankings. Let's start some discussion!
Returning State Place-Finishers and Qualifiers:
103:
1. Kainan Clark (Parry McCluer) 11 1st in 2011
2. Lance Ford (Strasburg) 11 2nd in 2011
3. Gilbert Rodriguez (Manassas Park) 10 3rd in 2011
4. Jacob Cochrane (Glenvar) 11 4th in 2011
5. Emmanuel Davidson (Rural Retreat) 12 5th in 2011
6. Ryan Bono (Northampton) 11 6th in 2011
7. Caleb Miller (Mathews) 10 7th in 2011
8. Philip Jewell (King William) 8th in 2011
9. Austin Hurley (Grundy) 10th 1-2 in 2011 (AA)
10. Moses Oviedo (Washington & Lee) 10 1-2 in 2011
11. Jacob Welch (Madison County) 10 1-2 in 2011
12. Tucker Harvey (Appomatox) 10 1-2 in 2011
13. Tyler Lewis (Castlewood) 10 SQ in 2011
14. Chad Harkleroad (Appalachia) 10 SQ in 2011
15. Brady Baker (J. J. Kelly) 10 SQ in 2011
16. Jonathon Gregory (Lee) 10 SQ in 2011112:
1. Junior Espinoza (Galax) 11 1st in 2011
2. KC Kash (Riverheads) 12 2nd in 2011
3. TJ Mitchell (Rural Retreat) 12 3rd in 2011
4. David Devilbiss (Radford) 10 4th in 2011
5. Corbin Woods (Parry McCluer) 10 5th in 2011
6. Collin Conkwright (Appomattox) 10 6th in 2011
7. Michael Capone (Strasburg) 12 8th in 2011 (inj.)
8. Abraham Jiminez (Clarke County) 7th in 2011 (fft. Capone)
9. Austin Compton (Grundy) 11 SQ in 2011 (AA)
10. Daniel Crawford (King William) 10 1-2 in 2011
11. Justin Peters (J.J. Kelly) 11 1-2 in 2011
12. Douglas Barnes (Arcadia) 12 1-2 in 2011
13. Charlie Demarino (Northampton) 10 SQ in 2011
14. Brandon Perry (VA. High) 10 SQ in 2011
15. Xavier Freeman (Franklin) 12 SQ in 2011
16. Robert Stout (Coeburn) 10 SQ in 2011
17. Patrick Faulkinberry (Lee) 10 SQ in 2011119:
1. Casey Paglia (Northampton) 11 1st in 2011
2. Ember Gaitan (Manassas Park) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Sean Donnelly (Radford) 12 4th in 2011 (fft. Donnelly)
4. Bradley Lawson (Floyd) 12 3rd in 2011 (fft.)
5. Danny Seidita (George Mason) 12 6th in 2011
6. Jamie Rogers (Glenvar) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Wesley Gibson (Castlewood) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Michael Farmer (Chatham) 1-2 in 2011
9. Brandon Deel (Washington & Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Jordon Chinn (Northumberland) 11 SQ in 2011
11. Daniel Hartley (St. Paul) 11 SQ in 2011
12. Tanner Dorton (Powell Valley) 11 SQ in 2011125:
1. Kent Cadle (Manassas Park) 11 1st in 2011
2. Charlie Dickson (Covington) 11 6th in 2011 by inj., beat Wolf
3. Tanner Conkwright (Appomatox) 12 1-2 in 2011 by inj., beat Goff and Wolf
4. Skylar Wolf (Central) 11 4th in 2011
5. Jordan Goff (Floyd) 11 5th in 2011
6. Aaron Curry (Northumberland) 10 1-2 in 2011
7. Matt Rouland (Mathews) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Alan Killebrew (Northampton) 10 SQ in 2011
9. Nathaniel Page (Coeburn) 11 SQ in 2011
10. Matt Fleming (Pound) 11 SQ in 2011130:
1. Dale Conner (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Marvin Escobar (Manassas Park) 12 4th in 2011
3. Zach Rogich (Powell Valley) 12 5th in 2011
4. Marcus Clements (Chatham) 11 6th in 2011
5. Fraqual Butler (Northampton) 12 7th in 2011
6. Bobby Donovan (Arcadia) 12 8th in 2011
7. Tyler Drummond (Strasburg) 10 1-2 in 2011
8. Jeremy Dolan (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
9. Cody Jackson (Northumberland) 1-2 in 2011
10. Austin Thomas (George Wythe) 1-2 in 2011
11. Rusty Fields (John Battle) 12 SQ in 2011
12. Logan Stevens (Lebanon) 12 SQ in 2011
13. Joe Crum (Virginia High) 11 SQ in 2011135:
1. Jesse Redford (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Dante Ravenell (Galax) 12 3rd in 2011
3. Billy Jackson (Northumberland) 12 7th in 2011
4. Alborz Alaeddini (George Mason) 12 6th in 2011
5. Peter Levi (Clarke County) 12 8th in 2011
6. Cole Zamana (Covington) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Vincent Ramos (Coeburn) 12 SQ in 2011
8. Tyler Phillips (Castlewood) 11 1-2 in 2011
9. Cody Phillips (Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Clayton Smith (Lebanon) 10 SQ in 2011
11. Landon Kime (George Wythe) 12 SQ in 2011140:
1. Nathan Tomlin (Parry McCluer) 11 2nd in 2011
2. Justin Street (Grundy) 11 4th in 2011 (AA)
3. Daniel Sivinski (East Rockingham) 12 3rd in 2011
4. Todd Dean (Strasburg) 11 4th in 2011
5. Mike Albrecht (Cumberland) 12 8th in 2011
6. Mike Metzger (King William) 12 1-2 in 2011
7. Zeev Lailari (George Mason) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Derek Farris (Chilhowie) 1-2 in 2011
9. Brad Smith (Lancaster) 10 SQ in 2011
10. Drake Smith (Lebanon) SQ in 2011
11. Logan Adkins (J. J. Kelly) 10 SQ in 2011
12. Sam McGill (Washington & Lee) 11 SQ in 2011145:
1. Colby Dean (J. I. Burton) 11 1st in 2011
2. Kyle King (James River) 11 4th in 2011
3. Osmin Flores (Manassas Park) 12 6th in 2011
4. Ben Wallace (Clarke County) 10 8th in 2011
5. Christian Caudill (Coeburn) 11 1-2 in 2011
6. Reggie Hamilton (Powell Valley) 1-2 in 2011
7. Mark Nelson (Arcadia) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Sam Friday (Lancaster) 11 1-2 in 2011
9. Brett Steffey (Castlewood) 10 SQ in 2011
10. Oakley Wilson (Floyd) 12 SQ in 2011
11. Shabre Judkins (Sussex) 12 SQ in 2011152:
1. Travis Anderson (Rural Retreat) 12 2nd in 2011
2. Brandon Dinges (Stonewall Jackson) 12 4th in 2011
3. Marsalis Carlos (Manassas Park) 12 5th in 2011
4. Logan Dean (J. I. Burton) 11 7th in 2011
5. Mark Fitzgerald (Chatham) 12 1-2 in 2011
6. Michael Clayton (Washington & Lee) 12 1-2 in 2011
7. Jake Lewis (George Wythe) 1-2 in 2011
8. Robert Holmes (King William) 12 1-2 in 2011
9. Andrew Laney (Virginia High) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Tyler Nash (John Battle) 11 SQ in 2011
11. Dontavis Williams (Nandua) 11 SQ in 2011160:
1. Anthony Jewett (Madison) 12 1st in 2011
2. Zac Richey (Buffalo Gap) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Joe Nappi (Clarke County) 12 4th in 2011
4. Cory Williams (Rural Retreat) 11 5th in 2011
5. Corey Burgan (Lee) 12 6th in 2011
6. Chandler Cole (Coeburn) 11 1-2 in 2011
7. Garrett Thompson (Pound) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Jacob Jewell (Northumberland) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Billy Bower (Mathews) 11 SQ in 2011171:
1. Tyler Mclanahan (Grundy) 12 1st in 2011 (AA)
2. Ricky Tisinger (Stonewall Jackson) 12 1st in 2011
3. Dillion Mathews (Arcadia) 12 3rd in 2011
4. Jeremy Mullins (Coeburn) 10 4th in 2011
5. Treavor Hedrick (Buffalo Gap) 12 6th in 2011
6. Tyler Wagner (Manassas Park) 12 8th in 2011
7. Ryan Hubbard (Lebanon) 11 1-2 in 2011
8. Fankie Shalabi (Galax) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Alteriq Flowers (Sussex) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Darrien Fisher (Middlesex) 12 SQ in 2011189:
1. Eric McDaniel (Floyd) 12 1st in 2011
2. Kevin Gonzalez (Manassas Park) 12 2nd in 2011
3. James Pavik (Mathews) 12 5th in 2011
4. Owen Deacon (James River) 11 6th in 2011
5. Steven Salinas (Stonewall Jackson) 12 7th in 2011
6. Emmanuel Ricks (Franklin) 12 1-2 in 2011, beat Antonio by fall
7. Derek Yates (Rural Retreat) 11 1-2 in 2011
8. Kai Antonio (Lancaster) 11 8th in 2011
9. Matt Thompson (Clarke County) 12 SQ in 2011
10. Jessie Daniels (Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
11. Drew Young (Castlewood) 12 SQ in 2011215:
1. Drew Collins (J. J. Kelly) 12 1st in 2011
2. Kenny Sluss (Pound) 12 5th in 2011
3. Chaz Sizemore (Galax) 11 6th in 2011
4. Chad Blevins (St. Paul) 12 1-2 in 2011, beat Rodriguez 9-0
5. Victor Rodriguez (Arcadia) 12 7th in 2011
6. Cody Morgan (Radford) 11 8th in 2011
7. Cameren Wynn (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Ian Batterson (James River) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Reese Harris (Middlesex) 12 SQ in 2011
10. TJ Dorsett (J. I. Burton) 10 SQ in 2011285:
1. Lucas Ryan (Stonewall Jackson) 12 1st in 2011
2. Franklin Miller (Riverheads) 12 2nd in 2011
3. Christian Robbins (Lee) 12 3rd in 2011
4. Trevor Belcher (St. Paul) 12 7th in 2011
5. Peter Martin (Floyd) 12 8th in 2011
6. Tanner Marshall (Grundy) 12 1-2 in 2011 (AA)
7. Sean Biddle (Glenvar) 12 1-2 in 2011
8. Willie Moore (Mathews) 12 SQ in 2011
9. Laquan Hairston (Northampton) 11 1-2 in 2011
10. Raymond Johnson (Washington & Lee) 12 SQ in 2011
11. Michael Parsons (Appalachia) 10 SQ in 2011Posted 1 year ago # - -
One thing I noticed and the only thing so far that I've had the time is that you don't have Trey Smith of Grundy listed, I can not remember the kids name, but I believe he was from Coeburn? and placed either 3rd or 4th in the A state in 2010 and 2011, he graduated this past season, anyway I do believe Smith beat him in the Finals of the Aggie Skeens at Grundy. So I'd throw Smith in there at around 125 at about #3 on the list...just a guess on the weight since he was at 119 last season, and since he beat the #3 or #4 (can't remember which) state placer of last year during the regular season.
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Hey Coach, Just poking around and wanted to let you know that it helps if you take a look a particularly strong weight from any given region and it would be safe to find out who got 5th and add them in somewhere. I have lost track over time with what regions are strongest now days but this used to help me with the early rankings.
Also, unless Tomlin beat Street somewhere already then I would DEFINATELY give him (Street) the nod over Tomlin.
Manassas Park has another Rodriguez brother that is dynamite. Neither one however will see 106#. I have been seeing them both in Summer tournaments and they are both way to big.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I am sure I could find out some of the 5th place region finishers, but it would be even easier if people "in the know" from each region could post that information.
You guys know a LOT more than me about 5th place finishers in each region worthy of a ranking.
Also, I know the consensus will be that Street (Grundy) is #1, and he may be. However, at least for right now, I have a problem putting him over a returning state finalist. Tomlin deserves some pre-season respect. I am sure if it needs to be changed, it will be.
And, I know there are plenty of "Rodriguez" type newcomers that will have impact on the A scene. However, I am not going to be adding them to my rankings until they have proven themselves. If someone can provide some summer results where a newcomer beat someone in the rankings, then I would consider adding them too. I think it's the only fair thing to do.
I also hear Mudd about the Trey Smith kid from Grundy. I don't see him in the state brackets. Did he not qualify? If not, I will add him once we get close to the season, and the weights and rankings start to get more organized. Right now, they are simply based on the brackets from A and AA last year. I feel like it is too early to do much more.
That being said, it is not too early, if people know the facts, to post if you know weights of where some of these guys are going.
I would really like to see these rankings be where they should. The ONLY way to do that is for people to post the information they KNOW to be true...not demands, not opinions and not "wish" lists. I have no problem with criticism. However, provide factual informtaion to back up the criticism. Show me why an individual, or a weight is improperly ranked, not just that it is, and that the rankings are horrible. That does NOTHING positive to help the rankings. Do something that helps the rankings.
Once that happens, the rankings will be more than just entertainment. Until that happens, ALWAYS look at the rankings as only partially genuine. Because, until people do more to make them more, that is all they will be...partial.
Thanks.
Coach
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I currently do not have any factual information to provide, but a possible suggestion. I believe there will be new weights this year so we may want to start moving the rankings into the new weights.
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Agreed. I plan on doing that soon. I just wanted to get this out to begin discussion.
Thanks again for the suggestions. They can only help.
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Just a heads up on somethings. JJ Kelly and Pound will now be Central High School. Powell Valley and Appalachia will now be Union High School. Coeburn and St.Paul will now be Eastside High School.
Just thought i would let you all know this if you didn't already know.
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